Answer: Also, I have two earned degrees in Bible, (ThB, MBS) involving over seven years of formal education, plus thirty years of studying, teaching and preaching God's word. It is no wonder that congregations have the same divorce rate as the rest of society. Some would counter and say, but look at all the souls saved. One word of advice. 4), Job (Job 1), Isaiah (Isa. It has no bearing on the truth whether you thought for years it was wrong and then changed your mind or not. [Pastor marries a divorced woman?] And we know there is no marriage in heaven. Further everything the Lord instructs us to do sets an example and symbolizes biblical truth. Why can we not see how vital it is to simply obey the Lord and follow His instructions. He multiplied wives to himself in spite of God's command against this, but his lust also brought him into terrible grief. (c) Most men of God even in the O.T. The result is that the divorce rate among most church members is the same as in the secular society. (Mark 10:11) Matthew 5:32 states that a man who marries a divorsed woman commits adultery. (Acts 21:8; 8:5-8,12,26-40) Timothy is told by Paul to do the work of an evangelist. It is never right to do wrong to do right. So he cannot be a Pastor. That means having an unsaved spouse does not by itself allow separation. (1 Corinthians 7:15) It does not matter that you prayed and didn't get any sleep for three days. In 1 Corinthians 7:7 Paul states he wishes all men, were as he was and says that it is not a command, but a personal choice of every man. "But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. 4), Job (Job 1), Isaiah (Isa. Does it not make you thinkthat your conclusion is the same as every liberal, Charismatic, unbiblical and apostate denomination, and cult? One, the wife fails the principles of 1 Timothy 3:11. We can see the results of this in that the divorce rate in most modern churches is the same as in the unsaved world around them. (Acts 21:8; 8:5-8,12,26-40) Timothy is told by Paul to do the work of an evangelist. Answer: His wife's testimony is in question and that casts a shadow over him. What makes the matter true or false is "thus saith the Lord." That means having an unsaved spouse does not by itself allow separation. People know of the this problem and thus a shadow is cast over his ministry. He will bless us, and people will be saved, grow spiritually and oh, the heartache that would be avoided. He at least is not an example of having a proper marriage because he is an adulterer according to Matthew 5:32, Mark 10:11-12. A man may be highly qualified in our eyes or by faulty human reasonsing, but can we not see that certainly such a man is lacking in biblical discernment and also in devotion to truth. There is no contradiction between the passages you referred to and they are all in harmony, if one understands the cultural situation being discussed. That strongly indicates the character and testimony of a servant of the local church is vital to the ministry of the deacon. Yes, and I know of many "enlightened" churches and preachers who applying their pragmatic interpretation, have taken the human and "cultured" position, which waters down God's word and makes light of the great destructive result of divorce on children, husbands, wives, friends and relatives. I hope this helps explain this matter. The biblical example of an unbroken marriage, of a man and woman joined together until "death do us part" is lost. It just doesn't add up. Although certain O.T. There are many ways a divorced man can serve God, but not from the pulpit. God said that if a man desires the ministry of a bishop he desires a good work.but the man must also be qualified. 4:5) An evangelist today preaches from a pulpit to a congregation and is in a position as an example. When a divorce man is in the pulpit there is a subtle messages sent to the congregation and to the unsaved..divorce is OK. God knows what is right and that is why He does not call divorced men to pastor churches. Respectfully, I hope this helps you understand this important truth. Is God not telling us that he wants pastors and deacons to be above reproach as examples in their church? If we do not do His will He will having nothing to do with us and withhold His blessings. Many, by their actions, show they are more interested in themselves than the Lord and that makes them a poor example to a congregation. Therefore, a couple is not subjected to scrutiny and possible embarrassment. Divorce is destroying our nation and also our churches. (John 10:12) That is what a "hireling" does, he does not protect the sheep and will run or compromise at the first sign of trouble. Jesus in Matthew 10, stated that only adultery was grounds for divorce, not just the husband finding something wrong or something he did not like about the woman. When a divorce man is in the pulpit there is a subtle messages sent to the congregation and to the unsaved..divorce is OK. God knows what is right and that is why He does not call divorced men to pastor churches. If we interpret in the context of the analogy of the faith we must consider all the Bible says on the matter and understand God will never contradict itself. And we know there is no marriage in heaven. You are mistaken in your statement concerning Paul in Corinthians. Thank your for writing and I read your comments. God also holds the lost man responsible for his life also and the unsaved will be judged for their sins. Having a divorce man in a pulpit sends a bad message about divorce to the people. (Rom. The justification for their remarrying was they needed someone to take care of them, which seems to me to be a very selfish reason. The first qualification of a pastor is he be blameless. but this is not the issue not is this about personalities or education, but God's principles. What kind of testimony to the world and especially our young people does this give as to God's biblical instituted marriage? The matter biblically is a three fold matter. Our lives should be a reflection of God's truth. If a teacher/preacher/pastor/elder/deacon is thinking about getting a divorce or is in the process of getting a divorce I would suggest that they be removed from ministry immediately. The result is clear. You are mistaken in your statement concerning Paul in Corinthians. What I have stated is not the popular view. The reason is clear. "See it turned out well for him and it will for me too." So the word novice does not necessarily have a limited and narrow meaning. The pastor should not be a divorced man because he is to be an example of God's perfect will to the church (1 Pet. He gave strict qualifications in the Old Testament for the priests who worked in the Tabernacle and Temple and He also has given us instructions in this the church age. Based on the principles I find in God's word, I would be compromising that word to allow a man to preach before my congregation who was divorced and remarried. A man who murdered or stole or hurt people before he was saved is forgiven for those sins, but the results of the past sins are not erased. He is the leader of the congregation and an example to the church and yet he is divorce or married to a divorce woman and the conclusion is clear.divorce and remarriage is no big deal and even though God says He hates itit is OK look at my preacher and pastorhe's divorced and leading the church. Some try to use verse 15 to say remarriage is approved, but I strongly disagree. He is therefore, by the nature of the job, a leader and is to set a proper example of the word of God (1 Tim. 1:2-8; 1 Ki. ul> . He is a man who represents the Lord and thus is under a higher standard that those that are not preachers. 1. If so, it also casts a shadow over his leadership in the church. They were disobedient to God. The result is clear. Jesus responded that Mosesnot Godallowed divorce because of the hardness of their hearts, but He states that in the beginning it was not so! Feeling as most do, they often blame themselves feeling that somehow the break up of their family was their fault and not their parents. Many congregations in today's world will not take this stand on God's principles and will follow the world's wisdom, but Romans 12:1-2 says, "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. But, I am not going to second guess the Lord and take the side of sin and I don't think God's true pastor will either. But does suggest only one wife- as in those days men had several wives. Clearly the passage says having the desire to be a pastor is not enough. I'm not interested in arguing either, but I am, as God's preacher, obligated to preach and teach God's word correctly and to contend earnestly for the faith. He can serve in many other ways, but not as the leader or overseer of a congregation. When a divorce man is in the pulpit there is a subtle messages sent to the congregation and to the unsaved..divorce is OK. God knows what is right and that is why He does not call divorced men to pastor churches. This can mean he was a member of the Sanhedrin and voted to imprison believers. Since his first wife was deceased, I believe he passes the qualifications on his part. This is describing clearly the practice of divorce "after" the marriage was consummated and this is what Jesus was referring to and condemning in Matthew 10. The result is that the divorce rate among most church members is the same as in the secular society. Divorce is destroying our nation and also our churches. Specifically in verse 14 God said"Yet ye say, Wherefore? Should not a leader of a congregation uphold the a highest standard? Probably his wife is a wonderful woman and he is very sincere or educationally qualified . There are plenty of sins that we could talk about and plenty of sins that we could cover. To which of his families does it apply? So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man." The main problem with your statement is that the "narrow minded, enculturated (sis) opinion" you criticize is God's opinion on the matter. It does not matter that you prayed and didn't get any sleep for three days. They were disobedient to God. 7 presents the instruction that separation is allowed, but the passage does not condone or address remarriage. He is free too, if he so desires. Especially, when God condemns it. In 1 Corinthians 7:7 Paul states he wishes all men, were as he was and says that it is not a command, but a personal choice of every man. I think that in allowing separation God is making provision for mixed marriages where the unsaved spouse abuses the saved spouse. Many, by their actions, show they are more interested in themselves than the Lord and that makes them a poor example to a congregation. The rate of divorce among church members is the same as in the secular population. The qualifications God gives in 1 Timothy 3:1f are also for the man to judge himself to see if he is qualified. This can mean he was a member of the Sanhedrin and voted to imprison believers. Many people are struggling with this problem. I have seen the "cultured" of our modern churches ignore all the warnings that God has about divorce and seen them water it down and saying, "Its OK..remember God loves us and forgives doesn't He?" The next statement in 1 Timothy 3:2 is that the pastor be "blameless." In principle you have a man carrying God's message whose personal life is not a good example because he is divorced and remarried. Answer: A church is not to elect a divorce man and thereby make little of the sin involved and negate God's command that marriage is a life time commitment. This would indicate the wife of a deacon must be a spiritual woman who would be above reproach. Having a divorce man in a pulpit sends a bad message about divorce to the people. Now many church's devotion to following God's word had deteriorated until they see nothing wrong with having divorced pastors. This is the only reference that might reveal that he was married, but we just do not know for sure. 1 Cor. It brings questions to mind..Does this man's actions show he is committed wholly to the Lord? There is no contradiction between the passages you referred to and they are all in harmony, if one understands the cultural situation being discussed. Yet, divorce is a terrible thing and Malachi 2:14-16 makes it clear that God hates divorce. As great a leader as Moses was, when he publicly disobeyed God by letting his emotions control him and striking the rock instead of speaking to it as God said.was disqualified by God and refused to enter the promised land. Surely our hearts go out to those who have been involved in divorce because it is a tragic thing to happen to anyone. God condemned Israel for this practice in Malachi 2:13-16. Based on this principle, we would say that a man who divorced before he was saved should not be disqualified for the pastorategiven that he meets the other requirements listed in 1 Timothy 3 (including that he "not be a recent convert," verse 6) and that his walk with the Lord includes ample evidence of having a solid marriage. Our lives should be a reflection of God's truth. You seem to be looking for "loop holes" to get around obeying God's principles. So, yes, you "got me" I am not "cultured," but I am God's preacher committed to preaching and teaching "thus saith the Lord." His wife's testimony is in question and that casts a shadow over him. I know it is a serious thing to judge the actions of someone, but we are to discern right and wrong and the Bible is our sole guide. Many people are struggling with this problem. I refuse to be guilty of compromising God's word and gladly accept the shame of being seen as "enculturated" in your eyes, whatever that means? The reason I'm asking is our church is searching for a pastor and this situation was made aware to us during the interview and several of the men (including myself) felt that he should not hold the title of pastor. But once again, we must be apply the principle. So I think I have a "fair" amount of education, although not all I would like to have. Respectfully, I hope this helps you understand this important truth. (1 Corinthians 7:39) The "only in the Lord" phrase means she is to marry only a believer. A man who is divorces or who has a divorced wife sends a wrong message and cannot set a proper example. 7), it is not God's design for marriage (Matt. Divorced pastors are presenting a mixed message to the people. I have written a great number of articles on the Bible which are used by many pastors and Christians. This can mean he was a member of the Sanhedrin and voted to imprison believers. So in this I think I am refined. (John 10:12) That is what a "hireling" does, he does not protect the sheep and will run or compromise at the first sign of trouble. Therefore he willingly chose to commit the serious and public sin of adultery. This does not mean divorced persons cannot serve in the church. But understand that I too, am sick to death of this holier than thou attitude that blatantly ignores God's word and sanctimoniously looks down its long noses at people like me who love God's word and truthfully proclaim it. And sir, why are you as a preacher, not discerning of these principles, which are spiritual matters? The passage is specifically talking about a situation (case) where a lost spouse leaves and God is saying that the saved spouse is not bound to remain with the lost spouse. But, I am not going to second guess the Lord and take the side of sin and I don't think God's true pastor will either. The biblical example of an unbroken marriage, of a man and woman joined together until "death do us part" is lost. He multiplied wives to himself in spite of God's command against this, but his lust also brought him into terrible grief. It gives him a way to use this against people in and out of that church. Paul clearly thought he was experienced enough to set the example for the congregation because he encouraged him to do so. And whether anyone believes it or not.I deeply care for the people of God. Can a divorced man, who is not a pastor, be ordained to preach? Clearly you disagree with the position that the divorced man cannot be a pastor, but for the following three reasons I am convinced that this is the scriptural position. When God's people say that divorce and remarriage are wrong, as God does, and let God's word govern their actions . [1 Timothy 3:1f does not say anything about a man being divorced??] Feeling as most do, they often blame themselves feeling that somehow the break up of their family was their fault and not their parents. The dictionary says that means "refined and well educated." Please be kind in your thinking towards me and my blunt reply. (1 Corinthians 7:10-11) The normal interpretation of "one woman man" is one living wife at a time. Paul said he preferred all men were as he was. 1 Timothy 3:1f is saying not to appoint a new convert to be the pastor of a church. Today there is a serious weakest among many men who aspire to the pulpit. Paul clearly thought he was experienced enough to set the example for the congregation because he encouraged him to do so. This is describing clearly the practice of divorce "after" the marriage was consummated and this is what Jesus was referring to and condemning in Matthew 10. God is clear that He does not called or use divorced men as pastors. Jesus addressed this matter of men who put take upon themselves the position of being God's undershepherds and yet fail in their responsibility to protect God's sheep. Further everything the Lord instructs us to do sets an example and symbolizes biblical truth. You have not really studyed the matter biblically. A divorced man cannot set a proper example of God's standards and is not blameless. This is a space where Christians of many theological backgrounds share insights on the Bible and faith, exegesis and hermeneutics, life and culture, and the Christian walk. [Divorced Evangelists] Does the restriction against a pastor being remarried apply as well to evangelists? The family is more important in God's plan than most people will accept or even understand. Clearly we as God's children and as a biblical church should uphold the word of God let it guide us as we hold the highest standards of spiritual living as a testimony to others. You seem to be looking for "loop holes" to get around obeying God's principles. I have no ill will toward youI do not know youbut this is an important matter and how one understands it reflects on their being in God's will or out of it and as a preacher of God's word whether they can correct discern God's word. What makes the matter true or false is "thus saith the Lord." I have seen devastated children living miserable lives because of divorce and yes..they have professing Christian parents who broke their vows sinned against each other and their children. If so, I would think we would have a serious Pastor shortage. He was rebuking them for divorcing for such a frivolous reason. Sir, think about your reply? Third, why did God choose to give instruction about a deacon's wife and not a pastor's? Jesus addressed this matter of men who put take upon themselves the position of being God's undershepherds and yet fail in their responsibility to protect God's sheep. Let me defend myself or as Paul says in 2 Corinthians 11:1 addressing his critics"bear with me a little in my folly." He gave strict qualifications in the Old Testament for the priests who worked in the Tabernacle and Temple and He also has given us instructions in this the church age. 1 Timothy 3:11 says "Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things."
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